Thursday, February 3, 2011

“You must come round for coffee”: Part l

I recently enjoyed this post by Michelloui, who blogs at The American Resident. She says “when I came to Britain where hot drinks are so common they’ve invented a quick source for boiling water (the electric kettle, woo hoo!), I gradually came to understand that when people offered you a cup of tea they would be uncomfortable if you didn’t accept”.

It has spurred me on to write a post that I’ve been meaning to write for ages. Since I read quite a few blogs written by Americans in Britain, I know that the practice of being offered a hot drink when you arrive at someone’s house seems an oddity, so I thought I’d try and explain.

If you meet another mother at a toddler or school event in America, and you want to get to know her (let’s just suppose you’ve moved to the area from another continent and you don’t know a soul and you’re going absolutely bonkers in your isolation… for example…), the key phrase is “let’s get the kids together”. In Britain, the same invitation would be “you must come round for coffee some time”. If you take the British woman up on her offer, you will find that you are offered coffee or tea, but no-one says “you must come round for tea some time”. I’m guessing this is because tea is both a drink, and a meal. It’s too confusing to invite someone for tea, because they won’t know whether you mean them to arrive at 10.30 in the morning, for an hour and a half of chat while the children play, or to pitch up in the evening with an empty stomach. (To further complicate it, the Brits can’t even agree on what the meal ‘tea’ is. To some, it’s a post-school snack; to others it’s a full evening meal.) So to avoid confusion, we just stick to “come round for coffee”. Either way, the clue is in the phrase. The event will involve a hot drink.

A word of warning. If when you get there, you say you’d like coffee, this will most likely be what you call Nescafe. Don’t expect anything with a taste that you recognise as real coffee. At this point, I’d like to apologise, on behalf of the British nation, for instant coffee. It is, I now see, an abomination, and should have been outlawed by the Geneva Convention. So, assuming you want to avoid the coffee, you’ll go for tea. This will be what you know as ‘black tea’ (we don’t really do green tea in Britain), and unless you ask otherwise, it will be served with a small amount of milk in it.

So much for the beverage details. Now on to the more important issues. It will help you if you know you are not really being offered a drink. When your hostess asks if you’d prefer tea or coffee, please don’t say you won’t have either. You have to understand that she’s not worried about your hydration levels. She’s not offering you an opportunity to quench your thirst; she’s offering you her hospitality. Making you a cup of tea is code for making you welcome. She’s not really saying “would you like a drink?” She’s saying “this is my home, and I’ve invited you into it, and I want to make you feel comfortable here”. So just say yes. Then she’ll be in a familiar pattern of what to do next. If you say no, the ritual goes awry. What to do? It doesn’t feel quite right to go and make herself a drink if you’re not having one, but it feels even worse to sit down and converse without a drink. More about that in my next post.

I’ve been trying to think what a comparable situation would be for an American woman. It’s not a direct equivalent, but the best I can come up with is this. When you are invited round to someone’s house for dinner, you always take a dish with you. If it’s a potluck dinner, you do. If it’s not a potluck dinner, you still do. Imagine a scenario in which you turn up to dinner with your side dish, and take it into the kitchen, and your hostess says “oh, we don’t need an extra side. I’ve made a bunch of food for everyone. You can just leave it here on the counter top, and take it home with you when you go” (and yes, oh British readers, an American hostess might well talk about “a bunch of food”). See what I mean? There’s no logic to these things. You didn’t really think that you and the other guests would go hungry if you didn’t take a side dish with you. It’s just what you do. It’s a cultural norm. Just as you would feel that it was odd of your hostess not to accept your food, so we feel it’s peculiar for a guest not to accept a hot drink. Does that help explain?

37 comments:

  1. I had no idea that Americans think it odd to be offered tea or coffee (would like to add that yes I do do REAL coffee here unless you ask for builders then it is instant!)

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  2. Tattie

    Here, you'd be more likely to be offered "a drink". Often people say they'd like a glass of water (which is always with ice), or a soda (ie coke, Dr Peppers, etc). Even in winter, people are more likely to ask for a cold drink than a hot one.

    The other difference which I should have talked about in the post is the timing of the offer. In Britain, you've hardly got across the threshold before the hostess is rushing off to the kitchen to put the kettle on. Here, you'll be taken into the house and offered a seat, and conversation might be underway for several minutes before the offer of a drink is made.

    They're such tiny details, really, but they somehow make the whole experience feel very alien when you're not used to it.

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  3. Tattie Weasle and Iota--I used to think it was so strange that people were weirded out if I declined a hot drink. Then I remember going back to the States after being in the UK for 10 years and feeling uncomfortable when my parents' guests turned up at my parents house to see me and my mom didn't offer them a drink! How funny, and how we evolve to take on characteristics of our host culture...!

    Enjoyed this 'take' on the coffee scene!

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  4. Well that has given me plenty of food for thought! Didn't realise that others might not know our custom of tea and abominable coffee was really a hospitable event. Never gave it a thought.
    Hostesses in UK would probably feel it a bit insulting to be offered a plate of food when they'd been offered a meal and I guess that the word *tea* has always been confusing, even for us. Strange..... our different cultures but good that we're all unique.
    Maggie X

    Nuts in May

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  5. Hmm...either it's because my mum's Canadian, or because we lived for years in Asia and had many British expat friends, but I grew up hearing, "Come over for coffee" or "let's get together for coffee." In my world (which is admittedly, a bit weird), if I invite someone to my house in the morning, there's no question that I will offer a cup of coffee (albeit a brewed one, not instant). Same thing goes for someone stopping by in the late afternoon. Granted, here in TX, they rarely take me up on it, but I still call it 'getting together for a cup of coffee' even if they insist upon Diet Coke. Maybe it's a generational thing? I'm mid-40s...maybe the 30-and 20-something American moms didn't grow up with this? Interesting little cultural note. Love your observation!

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  6. Great post, Iota - it's so useful to record all these social differences. I always offer my American friends tea or coffee when they come over, and they usually decline (although I don't mind. I'll still make myself a cup of tea). And I completely flummoxed people the first winter here by asking people round for a 'tea party' for Littleboy 2's birthday.....

    Here, I think coffee seems to have become more a solitary thing - to drink in your car out of a huge Styrofoam Starbucks mug, or at the basketball game, rather than over a chat with a friend. I've also noticed people turn up to children's birthday parties with a bought coffee they've grabbed on the way - I don't think you would see that in England.

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  7. Another great post Iota. I shall Tweet of course.
    The other thing I've noticed here is that Americans say "We must get together" or "We must grab a coffee some time" and sometimes don't follow up. It's almost their way of saying that you're quite likable. I have learned to take it as a greeting almost, rather than wondering if I should be the one to make the arrangements. Or maybe I'm just unpopular and everyone else is merrily having cofees and get togethers all the time!

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  8. Seriously, you go to someone's house for dinner and you're expected to take a dish with you? That does seem bizarre to me, in most other places in the world it would be seen as a bit rude wouldn't it, if someone turned up with their own food? A bit like saying, I know yours wont be good enough so I brought something we can all eat... Other traditions and cultures are fascinating aren't they?

    In Finland coffee and a sticky bun or cake is normal but I keep getting it wrong and asking in the British way when they first come in and not letting them sit down and relax first and you're right, it does make a difference, people look uncomfortable when you try to change the order of things.

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  9. What about us poor Brits in America? The only place I'm offered tea as in black tea with milk is at a friend's house whose husband is British. You are rarely offered a drink alcoholic or otherwise at an american's house if you just pop in. I even took a bottle of wine around to a woman's house recently to give her a hint: I gave it to her and she didn't as you'd do in England immediately open it and give me a glass. In the end I had to tell her I had brought it to 'share.'

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  10. I would always ask our plumber in the UK if he'd like tea or coffee and his answer would always be 'as it comes.' The same response for milk and sugar. I wanted to scream! You must have some opinion as to whether you like sugar in your drink or not!

    It does feel very strange not to offer a drink, although we tend to offer water here. It just doesn't seem hospitable enough though.

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  11. I too would like to defend the British mum: never instant here. In fact I just got out my instant for a recipe and discovered it had gone weirdly white and almost mouldy (you're thinking worse of me now aren't you?). Who knew it could do that? Always proper, anyway, although as I don't drink coffee, I'm always a little concerned I don't make it properly so they're still getting disgusting coffee, just with freshly ground beans... Does that make it better.

    Anyway, absolutely fascinated by the bringing a dish to dinner thing. How does that work? Do they tell you what they're cooking so you know to do something appropriate? And if they don't what happens if they are, say, cooking a curry and you turn up with roast potatoes, or pasta salad? How do you keep it hot? And what happened the first time you got invited to someone's house? Did they tell you in advance?

    Also, does that mean they don't bring wine and chocs? Would miss the chocs...

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  12. ps Nappy Valley Girl - can you imagine how weird (possibly almost insulting) it would seem here if you turned up at someone's house for a party with a cup of starbucks...?

    And they say it's just the common language that divides us...

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  13. This was great Iota - so interesting and it's inspiring me to get on a write a post that's been simmering away about Russians and invitations for tea...(or should I just say 'SOME Russians of my acquantaince...)

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  14. In reply to Plan B, no, no wine and chocs, and never flowers. Though I have just decided to be different, and so I don't take a dish. I DO take chocs. That just puzzles people, but they say thank you politely, and probably jut think I'm odd. One nice thing, though, is that you can totally overwhelm a friend by taking flowers. It's a huge statement somehow. I do it just for the fun of it.

    And as for taking a dish, well, it just seems to work. I think that's because a meal is usually a main dish, and then "sides", so just adding one more side isn't a problem. There is a lot more tolerance for putting a mix of foods on the same plate. To the point where at a buffet, people will put meat, veg and dessert on the same plate. So pasta salad with curry would be fine. I'm not an expert here, but I'm guessing that usually it is a cold side dish or a dessert that people take.

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  15. OMG - all these social minefields. I had no idea you're supposed to take a dish to someone's house. What if you're just visiting from out of town as we will be next week, are you still expected to bring a dish or does a bottle of wine and some chocolates suffice? Help!

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  16. I must admit I have several friends who don't drink tea or coffee & I find it awkward. it always throws my 'ritual'!
    And yes another Brit who only offers real coffee. I don't even have any instant in the hse. I think intsant coffee is pretty mch a hting of the past for mostpeople in the UK now. In fact did you know that coffee drinking has outstripped tea drinking in the Uk now. Shock horror!

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  17. I remember being in the UK in 2008. The friend who had been hosting me in Hertfordshire for two weeks suddenly announced a couple days before my departure that she would not be able to take me to Heathrow and didn't seem to think it was her responsibility to make sure I got there (if I am hosting people, I always make sure they have a way to get back to the airport, whether I drive them or just make sure they have arrangements). Her idea was to have me call my friend in Enfield and ask if I could stay overnight with her and her dad. Whirlwind arrangements were made.

    After a VERY long, stressful, traffic-choked drive from Hertfordshire to Enfield, I got dropped off and my friend's dad, I swear even before he said hello, asked, "Cuppa tea?" Sweeter words I never did hear. So this American does indeed appreciate the spirit of the question, as well as the tea that was produced.

    And then he gave up his bed for me. They made sure I got up in time. Put me in a taxi heading for the local Picadilly Line Tube stop. Made sure I knew the route to Heathrow (I just rode Picadilly all the way from North London to Heathrow, of course). So the "it's not my responsibility to get you to the airport" attitude of Friend 1 is obviously not cultural. :-P

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  18. As for taking a dish when you're invited to dinner... it must be regional or generational. I don't think anyone I know does that. A bottle of wine, MAYBE (I personally don't drink wine). But bringing your own food (unless you have an allergy or food intolerance and discussed with the hostess beforehand that you'll bring your own food to take some pressure off her) could be considered a huge insult, even if your intention was to share.

    In my current circle, I have so many bizarrely picky eaters and different food intolerances/allergies (including one celiac) that I wouldn't even try to bring a dish. Too risky.

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  19. For an informal casual get-together like a buffet, among friends, in the Midwest, South or rural areas here in the East, it's just a nice thing to bring a side dish, dessert or salad as your contribution to the evening. Especially if it's a large group. Maybe your own famous specialty. But no one would think less of you if you didn't. You could instead bring a little plant or candle if that felt more comfortable to you.

    Wine, flowers, chocolates would be appropriate for a more formal dinner party. Did you get a formal written invitation? Have you been asked to RSVP? Are you shaving your legs, ironing a dress, taking the time to coordinate your earrings with your necklace and bracelet? Then don't bring a side dish!

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  20. Lynn - thanks so much for clarifying. That explains a lot. I am always in the former category. Can't remember when we last went to a formal dinner party. (And actually, we're not often invited out in the first category either!)

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  21. Here in BC (that's in Canada, by the way) you ALWAYS take either a bottle of wine, or some beer, and some flowers or something uselessly decorative when you go to a party. Same with a dinner party. Never dishes unless it's potluck.

    The coffee thing is perplexing; I always say "coffee" and half the people I say it to often reply "Um, I don't drink coffee, perhaps we could have wheatgrass juice or something?" or something equally ridiculous like that. They miss the point that it's generally a phatic remark: I don't MEAN coffee, I mean let's get together. Of course, when they DO come over, I tend to offer coffee first. When they say "Do you have herbal tea?" that's when the awkwardness starts, particularly if they scorn all my crumbling boxes of oddball herbal teas. Don't even ASK me if I have almond milk or a non-dairy alternative...gads. It's all so complicated, it's a wonder any of us ever get together.

    On a side note, I am reading Watching the English by Kate Fox (that sentence looks funny). It's very funny.

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  22. Sheila

    I had to look up 'phatic'. It's the perfect word for the phrase in question.

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  23. It took me years in USA to a) not be offended when someone said no to a drink, and b) not be offended when hosts don't offer a drink of some kind.

    A drink offer is, as you say, a welcome. It says, stay a while and chat. No offer, not welcome.
    Actually, I think the coffee thing in UK is relatively recent, b/c up till around the year 2000, I remember everyone saying "Pop in for a cuppa".
    And the nice thing was, you could pop round and be invited in no matter what. Dinner being cooked, no problem. Ironing board out, no problem! Kettle's on!
    Here, when I "pop in" it's rare to get past the threshold.

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  24. p.s. oh my, I've been to my neighbors for Near Year for the past 4 years in a row.... and I am the only person to forget to take a food dish every year. This year they even dropped a major hint, emailing me with a list of what others were taking. And honestly, there was so much food for about 15 people, I just took a box of chocs. I feel bad now!!

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  25. It's amazing that the expression did become "come around for coffee" when the instant coffee is so disgusting and most people really do opt for the tea instead. But one more thing I've been waiting for someone to explain: you didn't mention tea biscuits!!! To an American these things are baffling and bewildering!

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  26. I've never just shown up somewhere with a dish, regardless of if I was living in the US or UK. I always would ask the host/hostess if they wanted me to bring anything. If they declined, then I would usually bring a bottle of wine but I don't get offended if it's not opened. Here in the UK (or at least, where I live now), most people accept my offer of bringing something and most usually say "oh, could you do a pud?" (and many ask me to bring "something American").

    I personally think the idea of offering your plumber a cup of tea is ridiculous - they are there to do a job, not socialize. BUT, as it's expected in the UK, I always offer servicemen a drink when they are in my house.

    I firmly believe in a "when in Rome" type of attitude to life here for the most part, but I do let people walk in the door before I offer them a cup of tea - though I might have turned the kettle on if I saw them coming up the drive!

    I've never been asked round for coffee here, but I'll get asked over "for a cuppa" instead. I hardly ever am offered coffee, but that might be because most people know I dislike instant.

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  27. I live in France now (for 20 years) and I have suddenly realised reading this post and comments why I feel unconfortable sometimes when people come round or when I go to peoples houses: It's the coffee/tea offering.

    I really dont feel welcome when I go to someones home and they dont offer me anything !

    I didnt realise it was my British side !
    Very interesting post !

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  28. Great post Iota! I may share this on my blog and link back if you don't mind. Will tweet as well. I'm with Expat Mum, even though I'm American, I find myself confused by the American habit of saying "Let's get together for a coffee or drinks sometime." and then you're left hanging and nothing ever comes of it. I despise that practice. If you're not intending on following through then don't say it!

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  29. Great post! I have to laugh because when we first moved here and I had neighboring Brits or workers, etc. over to the house, I would always offer them a drink - coffee, tea, water, etc. I groaned when someone would respond with "coffee please" because it meant I was busy then making a new pot of coffee mid-day. Only after a year into our time here, did I realize that EVERYONE drinks instant! Even in work settings.....I just DO NOT understand it!

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  30. Never Nescafe. Under ANY circumstances.

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  31. Weirdness! I would find it terribly difficult to cook for such a party at my own house. I think I would only dare to do burgers and fries or something. Weird!

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  32. I'm just catching up on all these tea posts - they are fab! I'm all in favor of the English cuppa - I learned to appreciate them quickly after moving here as tea is offered about 8 times a day in my husband's parents house!

    As for the American dinner party situation, I never really thought about how often people bring along food to a regular dinner party. If not a main dish, in my experience people love to bring dessert....and more of an 'American' dessert like a plate of cookies or a cheesecake or a big round coffee loaf thing.

    I think ethnic background also plays into the tradition though. Some of my Italian American friends would always bring along food. But in my experience it also wouldn't be a major faux pas if you didn't bring anything either (unless of course it is a potluck!)

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  33. Just came to visit via Smitten by Britain. Am loving the tea posts happening around the place. I posted about taking tea last year and was so surprised when my American friends told me that they didn't have a kettle and were warming up cups of water in the microwave! Oh dear...

    Best wishes and happy tea drinking,
    Natasha.

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  34. To attend to the idea of taking food round to a party, while that is a cultural thing, it's dying out even here in the UK and it's not something my generation would think of doing, but it was a bigger thing for my parents' age group and a huge issue for the one before. Historical analysis of the difference between our lands might provide an answer for it: remember that during WWII the UK (unlike the US) was caught in the grip of severe food shortages and rationing for the whole war and many years after that, so I expect it quickly became a habit to indulge in food-sharing at social gatherings where the hosts couldn't possibly feed twenty people on one family coupon book.

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  35. This was something I learned quickly over here and actually, I drink more tea than coffee here now.

    Having known the bit about the wine (as Emma noted) would have saved me embarrassment...I've dropped by neighbors with a bottle of wine to say thank you for a kindness, or to say "welcome" but didn't know the expectation was to open it up and drink it right then and there!!!

    (WE do this at home in the US but we're lushes and I'll look for any opportunity to drink with company!!!)

    THanks for the great post!

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  36. This may help the person above confused by "As it comes" from a builder. If they don't choose between tea and coffee, give them tea unless you're making something for you in which case give them whatever you're making. As for milk and sugar, a dash of milk and two (or three) sugars is the norm.

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  37. Fascinating. That's why American mothers at the toddler group I used to go to always seemed odd: it was this drinking of cold (and often fizzy) drinks instead of tea and coffee. As an alien in the UK (but an European one, not a trans-atlantic) I seem to have cottoned on the coffee=tea=hospitality gesture, though the speed with each it is supposed to happen still throws me occasionally. Did you also notice that in the UK ''a drink'' when offered tends to mean alcohol?

    As others, I am flabbergasted and in fact shocked by the notion that you are supposed to bring food when you are invited for dinner.

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