Saturday, November 13, 2010

Religion

I thought it was time I wrote about my experience of religion in the Midwest. This has long been tucked away in my ‘not sure I want to go there on my blog’ folder, along with guns and obesity. Now there’s an attractive pair of bedfellows.

The first thing to say is that it’s very British, this reticence to talk about religion. How did that happen in Britain? Is it too personal? Is it too sensitive in these multi-cultural times? I have to say, I have found it refreshing here, to have it off the taboo list. When we arrived, people asked “will you be looking for a church?” much as they might have asked “which sports are you interested in?” And whether we’d said yes or no, either would have been fine. It’s something that people are much more relaxed about. I know the Bible Belt has a bad reputation, and perhaps we’ve just been lucky, but I can’t think of any occasion on which I’ve felt pressured or offended by any church or individual. I suppose it would be fair to say that as we did the rounds, looking for a church we might call home, we didn’t exactly head to the ones that advertised themselves as unpleasantly fundamentalist and Bible-bashing. But you know, even as I type that, I’m trying to think if I’ve come across some that would fit that description, and I honestly can’t think of any. I conclude that a very little of that kind of stuff has gone a long way in fostering an unfair reputation. I guess they must be around. Perhaps they just don't have a sign outside saying 'Unpleasantly Fundamentalist and Bible-Bashing'.

I find myself stuck at this point. Many many times in my head - most Sundays in my early blogging days - I have written amusing blog posts about an English woman’s perception of church life here. And I could reproduce one of those here, and make you laugh. I could. I mean, we all know that God, underneath His impressive ability to stand up for all nations, is really English. We have the best hymns, we have the best buildings – cold and draughty, with hard bottom-aching pews, just like they should be. We understand that when you leave church, you exchange two sentences about the weather, shuffle your feet a bit, and then head home for a decent Sunday roast. That’s how God planned it. I’m sure it’s in the Bible somewhere. They don’t really appreciate that here. They worship in modern buildings, which are warm and comfortable. They have guitars and keyboards instead of organs. They make way too much eye contact as you walk through the door. They even have people specially to do that, who wear badges saying “Greeter”. And there’s hugging too. I know, I know. It’s just not right. Not right at all.

Over time, though, I have gingerly crossed some lines. I find I can’t write that post any more. Where I used to see a room full of people who didn't seem to understand how to do church properly, though they were having a good stab at it, I now see a community of people living health-filled, grace-filled lives, gathering for worship, and I know I am privileged to be of their number. These are the people who stood with me and my family in the dark days of last summer. These are the people who brought us dinner evening after evening, who took the children off for whole days, whose phone numbers I could have called at any time, day or night, sure of receiving help. These are the people who stood with me in the anxious times when waiting for test results, who shared my relief when these were good (mercifully often), and who fell to their knees in prayer on my behalf when they were bad. These are the people who rejoiced with me when my hair grew, who allowed me space to be sad, be angry, be happy, be weird. These are the people who have puzzled over my odd European perspectives in discussion, and who have embraced my English eccentricities. These are the people in whose company I have wrestled with things, questioned things, faced things, and laid things down. These are the people who I know will carry me in their thoughts and prayers after we’ve (eventually!) left the Midwest, as I will carry them.

I have learned more and received more than I bargained for, here in the Bible Belt. I could tell you a whole lot more about that, but I’m going to sit back now, and watch the comments box go strangely silent. I suspect we’re all British here, when it comes to religion.

There is one thing I miss, though. Because religion is so much more acceptable here, there was an edginess about being a Christian in the UK that I don't experience now. There used to be moments, moments which I loved, when I'd be talking to a mum from school who I'd known for a while, and I'd drop into the conversation that I went to church. The conversation would hesitate, just briefly, before she would express polite interest, or not, while her face would have written all over it the suppressed exclamation "but Iota, I thought you were NORMAL!". I'm a bit of a rebel at heart and I do miss those moments, so if some of you could oblige in the comments, that would be nice.

32 comments:

  1. Interesting to hear your experiences. It must be lovely to have found such a supportive community.

    Here on Long Island, no-one has asked me about religion at all. I happen to know that certain people might be Jewish, or Catholic, because of the preschools their kids attend, but no-one really talks about their church or indeed has asked me about one (which is probably a good thing, as I'm not at all religious). Not what I was expecting from America at all. But then I suspect New York is very untypical.

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  2. I stopped going to church in the UK when I was a teenager, and although my mother taught in a church school she stopped going to church after the vicar preached a sermon based on a misquotation from the Bible. So I have no real experience of church in the UK as a grown-up, but I wonder if church-goers over there look after each other the way I see church (or temple) goers here?

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  3. Well, Iota, I don't know how I would have managed this last year without the support of my church, which happens to be a Baptist Church.
    Although it is an old listed building, the real Church are the people. They should reach out into the community.... not so much Bible bashing but helping them in many different ways. Whatever way is needed and wanted. I think modern churches are not elitist clubs any more but community based believers who want to reach out to others.

    I feel in England, we are living in a Politically Correct secular society that is almost anti Christian. On the whole, other religions (I hate that word) are catered for more at the expense of Christians.

    Rather than cause complete silence I seem to be having an attack of verbal diarrhoea on the subject, so I will make way for the next comment & pop back later on to see what comes up!
    I find it a great topic. Well done for bringing it up.
    Maggie X

    Nuts in May

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  4. So, if not inappropriate to ask...what does Church of Scotland translate to in the US? That's if you were of the kirk, you may be RC in which case I am guessing that equals RC!

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  5. I had the opposite experience when we lived in Dallas - people wondered if I was normal because I didn't attend a church nor was I looking for one.
    It's very relaxed here in Chicago, although we're surrounded by Catholics and Jews. Don't know where all the Proddy churches are come to think of it. The Catholics don't do things the way we did - not a lot of guilt, just as long as you pay your dues (literally) everything's fine.
    The only thing that really irritates me here is that God is always solely responsible for the good things that happen, (including Oscars beig won) but when things go bad, there's no mention of him.

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  6. Jen

    Church of England (my longer-term background) translates to Episcopalian. Church of Scotland (which I attended when in Scotland) translates to
    Presbyterian. But we go to a Methodist church here.

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  7. Interesting conversations here. I do attend church every Sunday and I really don't know where I would be without my faith. My faith has gotten me through some incredibly difficult times and been with me through the good times. The members of this church reach out to the community and eachother, offering meals to the sick and downladen, sewing dialysis bags for the local hospitals, collecting donations of clothing items and toiletries for a local women's shelter and more. I am not bragging, that is how we do it and we want no recognition. Just knowing we've helped someone else along the way feels good. It's what the Savior did when He was here and what He would do if He were here. We aren't perfect people but we are doing the best we can to love one another and to lift another's burdens. I am so thankful to be a small part of this.

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  8. I am happy that you have found peace and comfort in your church. I am pretty much the opposite, having had a terrible time here in the norht with the Church, although it did have a lot to live up to with the one I sttended with Maxi in Berkshire. But I am odd as I no longer attend, espeically in our little community

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  9. Our overall indifference to religion is one of the aspects of Britain I most admire. I like the general unobtrusiveness of religion in general life. The Churches where I am now are horrid things - wonders of the strip mall. I've discovered people who I thought were normal, sensible and rational turn out to think that there's a hidden spiritual war going on which we must prepare for.

    If I do, for whatever reason, feel a need to enter a Church (I'm agnostic but culturally Catholic and I don't I can ever truly expunge that Catholic upbringing) the last thing I want is a middle-aged bank manager's offer to give me a hug. If I am in a Church I'd rather, to quote Larkin's Church Going, "stand in silence" and be with my own(non-spiritual)thoughts.

    Religion in America is fascinating, but there's a earnestness there that, yes, does scare me.

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  10. Here in San Francisco middle class folk are not very churchy, though some people do attend churches or other houses of worship of all types. It is nether taboo, nor talked about much. Most of my Chinese friends are nominally Christian, of the baptist variety, and many are quite religious. Most of my Hispanic friends are catholic, some more religious than others. Several of my Lesbian friends are unitarians (A Christian religion that actually allows complete non belief in an actual god, it is more about being a good and charitable person a friend is a minister ). I have several Jewish friends, who celebrate the major Jewish holidays but are not very religious either. It is true though, that no one is embarrassed to admit to a religion or to attending Church. That has to be a good thing.
    Interesting topic, as always!

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  11. Sometimes you just need to believe in something other than yourself.

    So glad you found a supportive community.

    I wish we could all leave stereotypes at the door.

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  12. I am so glade to hear that your experience with church has been a positive one here in the States.

    I always find it fascinating that people can connect with God in so many different ways - with a band or with a pipe organ, in a very traditional cathedral or in a southern revival tent - and yet it all comes back to loving God and loving each other.

    On a side note, like other commenter have said the Stereotypical Bible Belt is out there, casting out demons and fighting the devil for all of our souls. On one road trip to Arkansas I even drove past a snake handling church...

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  13. I'm finding myself wondering what you're going to do when (not if) you come back here. Will you revert to hard pews, the potential (if not always the reality) of amazing music, King James and cringing when you're told you can exchange a sign of peace, or will you see if you can find a church more like the one you're in now?

    I think the type of church you go to is so personal. The friends we had here this weekend go to a church in London that sounds very like the one you go to. It's incredibly welcoming, but when I've been with them (I'm their youngest's godmother), I find it all rather odd, not least because of the music (B and I met singing choral music so that (even without the spirituality that goes with it) is a big deal for me). But then, six months in, I haven't found a church here either. It *should* be the episcopalian one, but I snuck in and could find no sign that they'd welcome three under fours... so I snuck out again, and the constant stream of visitors has got me no further. But now I've missed Remembrance Sunday, and I've got Advent and Christmas coming up, and not going then would be just too odd, even if I've managed to ignore six months worth of Sundays so far, getting my fix only when back in London....

    Ok, too long. Will shut up now.

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  14. Well I'm surprised to see a religious post from a british blogger! You must be turning american;-)

    As an atheist I find religion and evolution are topics which causes a lot of people to squirm but I put that down to lack of education.

    If you have a good understanding of evolution and still choose to be religious well then that baffling but okay I guess. What irks me is people who say 'I'm not sure' but haven't bothered to go and educate themselves so that they can make a decision.

    Rant over:-)
    ps. I was raised in a 'happy clappy' church - evangalist. Where we had to raise our hands, sing, dance and fall over and writh on the floor when getting rid of demons!!

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  15. Iota -- it was lovely to hear your perspective on this and I can't tell you how happy I am that you are part of such a supportive community.

    It is a bit personal, but I've struggled this past year having moved to England with this matter. In the US, I've always been a part of a strong church community -- which as you eloquently put it -- is much more like an extended family than a preachy bible-bashing group of thugs. Here in Norwich especially, everyone I've met is athiest or agnostic and the churches I've tried have been all older couples and no families or people my age. While faith is a lot more than community, I must admit I miss the community support the most.

    (And I definitely have experiences the "GASP" when I mention I've been to church here. You should have seen how mentioning I had attended Christmas services went over with my boyfriend's athiest father last year!)

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  16. p.s. a quick note for Sam. I'm an evolutionary biologist and a Christian. Boggling, eh?

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  17. God is really English - that's very funny. And I get that. I used to sing evensong in an English chapel every week, and you're right - there's nothing like it.

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  18. How wrong you were, look at all those comments! lol I must be the opposite I saw you in someones blog roll and came to read as it said Religion as your title.

    Great post, your Church sounds fab. I am lucky to be part of an amazing church community too.

    Mich x

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  19. When my husband and I visited my rellies in Dallas he was amazed by the mega-churches that lined the roads. It was hard for him to understand that 'church' meant something different in the States. He saw it first as a cash cow, something where rich people paid a lot of money to belong to a club. But by the end of the stay he realised the importance of the community the church created for the people and he almost wished to have something similar 'back home'.

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  20. Raised by agnostics in a secular society, religion and church going always was a novelty/mystery. Over the years I have lived, inter alia, among Irish Catholics, Quakers in the UK, in a Creole voodoo (grigris) society, with Hindus, Muslims and animists in Asia, and now again in a secular science environment. In all of these settings I encountered great mutual respect, compassion and - well - graceful, wonderful humanity. I did not find God, but the again I wasn't looking.

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  21. I think religion can be incredibly supportive. I'm met menay people recently whose circle of friends are largely those from their local church. I also think it can be incredibly devisive, especially, as in my case, when my parents - strict Catholic - found themselves with a daughter who was a single mother and they put the church first. For me that was too much and I think my view of religion has been tarnished forever. But then I am reminded again about the level of support that some types of religion do offer and it gets me thinking again... Wonderful post Iota.

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  22. It does seem that in the UK it's easy to pop into the local church for a quick service without too much commitment. There's usually only one or two churches in a village so you don't have to commit to choosing a place of worship.

    Whereas in the States, there are so many options. We're surrounded by all sorts of different churches and would really have to think about which one was right for us.

    And yes, I think God is English, he's got to prefer a lovely 16th century church over a bit of dry wall don't you think?!

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  23. this is a fascinating discussion, and i understand completely your change from wanting to write a sardonic post to writing a kind one. my post earlier this week was about the importance of the catholic church to our little neighborhood---we do not belong to the church, but we are very sad that it is closing. the influence of the church goes far beyond the sunday service.

    by the way, your description of english churches and the people in them resonated; you could be describing upper midwest lutherans! except they have Jello

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  24. It's lovely to hear about your supportive church community.
    I think I'm quite unusual - I'm English and I wear my heart on my sleeve when it comes to my Christian faith! I don't know where I'd be without it, in the good and the bad. If you've got sometning good to share then I say share it.

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  25. WHat a great post. I've backpacked widely in the States and have many good friends there - Jews, Catholics, Catholics who go to a Baptist church (!) and non-conformists. I understand and appreciate the beauty of traditional English church worship and that some people find it helpful for reflection but Jesus was all about community so the songs we sing and the buildings we meet in are irrelevant if church is only a building, rather than a community or if church means a building rather than a group of people. There are churches in England with traditional music and liturgy where this community exists but they're so unusual. I really ache for Rachel in Norwich having failed to find a community like this. They do exist - promise! - so keep searching. Our church in Cambridge is wonderful. I don't care that traditionalists would wince at the music - we are working hard to help the homeless, the old people in our community, we have a full-time under 5's worker as well as a youth leader....we get out there! We also look after each other. It's standard to get 2 weeks of hot meals delivered after you come out of hospital with a new baby, for instance. Children are so welcome there's a baby changing table in the men's loo as well as the women's'. When I talk about my church in those terms, British or not, most people get it, even if they struggle to understand the spiritual underpinnings.
    Thanks for a great post, Iota. Here's to more churches like yours here on this side of the Atlantic.

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  26. This was a very interesting post and comments section, i love the sense of community which some of you describe. I wasn't raised in a religious family but accepted Islam when i was at uni, aged 20 (im 26 now). I live in a small town on the outskirts of Leicester city with hardly any other Muslims, so it does feel lonely here at times. I have many friends who are also reverts to Islam but they don't live in my area. I would love to find somewhere as friendly as some of you seem to have found. But then again, i didnt become Muslim for the sence of belonging to something, but because i believe in the message. So i will remain patient that my time for community will come some day, God willing!

    Aqeela xx

    aqeelas-house.blogspot.com

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  27. I'm from the UK and love God with all my heart and really dont care who knows it. My blog also holds a lot of posts about my faith.

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  28. I just have to chime in here. As an American Atheist from the deep south (who moved to the UK), I cannot tell you how refreshing it is here to not have people prying into my religion, or lack thereof. I have had very good old friends back home openly confront me and question my beliefs as if it is any of their business. Here, no one really feels the need to tell me how much better off I would be if I only believed as they do, and that takes into account the new good friends I have here. I knew this whole 'taking the big leap' would pay off someday!

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  29. A few comments:
    1. Your comments thread didn't go silent. Nice discussion too. I'm working on a post on religion in the US and UK, and I have to link to this.
    2. You know how things often come in streaks? Well at church this Sunday (I'm American living in London) the sermon was partially about the church community, how these might not be the people we envision on inviting to dinner upon first meeting, but that we are all people who believe that we are not perfect, that we are fallen. The connections we build from having to keep trying again are stronger than we expect. The other part was about not feeling ashamed of our faith nor of each other. Shoot, she said something really good with that point and I can't remember it at the moment.
    3. Regarding the reputation of US religion, this is a bugaboo of mine. I've mentioned once or twice at my place.
    Here: http://americanhousewifeinlondon.blogspot.com/2010/09/forced-perspectives.html
    And it came up again in the comments here: http://americanhousewifeinlondon.blogspot.com/2011/01/are-americans-uninformed-incurious.html

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  30. Interesting post and comments, Iota! Thought this might be a good place to mention that Christians following Christ's example and telling others about God's kingdom are not necessarily "trying to shove their beliefs down other's throats" as one so often hears. Some people who are "tolerant" of every other belief system are frightened (perhaps by a bad childhood experience) and defensive at the mere mention of Christian faith. ~Elizabeth

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  31. It's the other way around for me. As an atheist, I sometimes get the edginess here in the US, whereas in the UK it never meant as much. (I've always suspected that Christopher Hitchens came to the US because he gets more attention!)

    I think I preferred it in the UK where religion was rarely brought up in the conversation. I know that my American wife, who is buddhist, tends to see religion as a matter of private, personal conscience too.

    What I can find strange in a personal way is that I was in a big city in the UK and worked a lot with people from a wide range of religions: Sikhism, Muslim, etc. whereas here in the US, I get a much stronger sense of Christianity being the dominant religion and "the norm".

    I really don't like the christian fanaticism that you get in USA and the bigotry and hatred that goes with it (gay people really get my sympathy here). Down here in Gainesville we've got the koran-burning Dove Church, it's insane.

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  32. I absolutely loved this post. We were in Israel first and found a wonderful, mostly American, Christian community. Because we were still in the UK diplomatic community I was still able to shock and awe with my "I'm a Christian" statements, but was simultaneously enveloped in the most wonderful fellowship. Americans just seem to be immune from those cultural strait-jackets we wear. I think I learnt the most there about what being in true fellowship means, especially when one of our number developed a very serious illness. At one point we were praying for 24 hours a day and there's something spine-tingling about finishing praying for an hour from 4-5am and knowing that Kathy, down the road, is about to take over.
    Now I'm in Pakistan, and there's not the same fellowship so much (that I've experienced so far, but I've only been here a little while), but I have nothing but admiration for the Pakistani Christians I've met.

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